Jesus comes first at the Rapture. Michael will not come before then. Try to understand what the Bible is saying and the timing of biblical events.

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The only one I see twisting Scripture is you. It certainly isn't Jack Kelley or any of the writers on this website. Anyone who "teaches" the duration of the first six days of creation of Genesis 1 is for 6000 years instead of six 24-hour days is twisting Scripture, or lying, which is precisely what you are doing. Most people who do this (like you) like to quote Scripture, taken out of context, of course.

Most deluded people think they are the only ones who can understand the "deep things" of the Word of God. They like to twist scripture into their own interpretation and then accuse respected Bible teachers and scholars that they are the ones who twist scripture. "And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit" (2 Peter 1: 19-21).

I'm not even going to respond to your foolishness except to quote Scripture. "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him" (Proverbs 26:4). "The wisdom of the prudent is to understand his way: but the folly of fools is deceit (Proverbs 14:8).

Regarding when the angels were created, I found this one on Jack Kelley's website. When Were The Angels Created? Follow Up – Grace thru faith.

I just showed how they weren't by showing you how "day" is not a good argument for Ezekiel 28:15. Where is the reiteration in that? However, you just reiterated your unfounded theory (with no scripture to back it up). I don't see any mention of angels or sons of God being created in the Genesis 1 account or the verses in Exodus or Ezekiel you mentioned. All I see is the word "heaven/s," which, to reiterate, is the word for the sky/outer space. Same as "firmament." What kind of Bible do you use? It sure is different than the one I use.

The Hebrew word (transliteration) for day is "yom." It is translated into English as many different words other than day. Here is NASB translation list: afternoon* (1), age (8), age* (1), all (1), always* (14), amount* (2), battle (1), birthday* (1), Chronicles* (38), completely* (1), continually* (14), course* (1), daily (22), daily the days (1), day (1115), day of the days (1), day that the period (1), day's (6), day's every day (1), daylight* (1), days (635), days on the day (1), days to day (1), days you shall daily (1), days ago (1), days' (11), each (1), each day (4), entire (2), eternity (1), evening* (1), ever in your life* (1), every day (2), fate (1), first (5), forever* (11), forevermore* (1), full (5), full year (1), future* (1), holiday* (3), later* (2), length (1), life (12), life* (1), lifetime (2), lifetime* (1), live (1), long (2), long as i live (1), long* (11), midday* (1), now (5), older* (1), once (2), period (3), perpetually* (2), present (1), recently (1), reigns (1), ripe* (1), short-lived* (1), so long* (1), some time (1), survived* (2), time (45), time* (1), times* (2), today (172), today* (1), usual (1), very old* (1), when (10), when the days (1), whenever (1), while (3), whole (2), year (10), yearly (5), years (13), yesterday* (1). The Ezekiel 28:15 verse could just have easily have been translated . "Thou was perfect in thy ways from the time that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee." Here is the GW translation: "Your behavior was perfect from the time you were created, until evil was found in you." A "day" in scripture can mean many diferent things. A day for the LORD is as a thousand years. The term may refer to an era (Matt 24:37) or to the span of human history (Gen 8:22), or specify a memorable event (Isa 9:4) or a significant time (Zep 1:14-16). The term often has a metaphorical meaning. Your argument for a 24 hour period definition of "yom" in Ezekiel 28:15 holds no water. Lucifer, as a Cherub, was shining from continuously being in the presence of God. Scripture says God is light. As I said before, Moses face also shone from being in the presence of the LORD. There is no scriptual evidence for the premise that angels were created within the time frame of the first chapter of Genesis. There is no mention of God creating the spiritual realm that includes His heavenly home, nor of angels at this time (as I mentioned before). Omission is never a good basis for showcasing evidence. We do know from Scripture, however, that the angels were shouting for joy on the first day in which God created the material earth and heavens (sky and outer space). THAT is the simple truth of Scripture.

Of course it isn't! Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth' (KJV). Which heaven is this verse referring to? It is the sky and outer space (not God's abode). Six times after Genesis 1:1 "heaven" is mentioned before it is mentioned again in Genesis 2:1. None of these verses refer to God's abode, aka "heaven." "And God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament: and it was so. And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day" (Genesis 1:7-8). "And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so" (Genesis 1:9). "And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years" (Genesis 1:14). "And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so" (Genesis 1:15). "And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth" (Genesis 1:17). " And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the open firmament of heaven" (Genesis 1:20). "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them" (Genesis 2:1). So, you're going to use this verse and the word "heavens" to say it includes God's abode, "heaven," when it is clearly not. Genesis 2:1-2 is a summation of Genesis 1. The heavens and earth of Genesis 1 and 2 comprise our physical world, not the spiritual one (including God's abode and angels). The heaven/s in all these verses refer to our sky and outer space. The host of the heaven/s are the clouds, stars, planets, etc. The host of the earth is everything in the earth. We are still left to speculate on when the angels were created. I believe it had to be before creation, as no mention of it is in Genesis (or elsewhere in Scripture). And during creation, "All the sons of God shouted for joy."

Where in Genesis 1:1-5, in the beginning when God created the heaven and the earth, does it say God created angels on this day? Talk about speculation! If the angels were shouting for joy on this day and there is no mention of them being created on this day in these verses, just the simple fact of omission (and common sense) says they were created before this day. Spiritual angels created on day 1 of Genesis 1:1-5 is not explicitly stated anywhere in Scripture. If something is not explicitly stated in Scripture, we are left with speculation.

Hi DGB, It appears to me you are once again compressing time and history. Scripture doesn't confirm either view. All we know for certain is that the angels were shouting for joy during the creation of the heavens and the earth. "Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? Or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?" (Job 38:4-7). Were the angels created on day one of creation (and shouted for joy for six days)? Or were they created one day before creation or one billion years before creation? No one knows. It's only speculation. They haven't always existed, but at some point they were created by God, who has always existed. IMHO, in the beginning (Genesis 1) God created the material (physical) earth and heavens and everything that comprises it (all the host of them... stars, planets, suns, black holes, oxygen, molecules, atoms, people, animals, plants, etc). That doesn't mean that the spiritual God didn't create the spiritual heaven and His spiritual angels before the material universe. Some scholars believe God created the world, heavens, etc., for mankind because of the rebellion of Satan and one-third of the angels who rebelled with him before the creation of the material universe. Scripture seems to confirm this. If the angels were created on day one of creation, why would God make man in His own image (on day six) and give man dominion over the earth and everything in it over the angels, who are superior to man, and when did Lucifer and the angels rebel against God? Was it between day one and day six? Seems highly unlikely. The Hebrew word (transliteration) for "angel" is malak. The Hebrew word "malak" primarily refers to a messenger or envoy, often used to describe both human and divine messengers. In the context of divine messengers, these beings (angels) are depicted as servants of God, carrying out His will and delivering His messages to humans. Just as Moses' face shone when he came down Mt. Sinai with the Ten Commandments after spending 40 days and 40 nights with the Lord, so do the angels shine from being in the presence of God. See Shine On! | Rapture Forums. God didn't create light on the first day. Light has always been a part of God. "This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all" 1 John 1:5). Scripture says, "And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." The first day (24 hours) is when God divided the light from the darkness. The foundation of the earth was basically finished on the first day. There was also water on the earth on this day. It is my opinion that God didn't create billions of unique spiritual angels/messengers while simultaneously creating the material universe. I believe they were already created much earlier. Let's hear from the rest of the readers out there. What say you, Bereans?

Hi Trish. Thanks for writing. I haven't heard from you in a while. Yes, the Book of John is fascinating. The LORD certainly gave John supernatural wisdom regarding Himself. I agree regarding taking your time with studying Scripture. Sometimes we just read right over an important concept when we get in a hurry. Yes, the hour is getting late (close to midnight) and now is the time to get as close to Jesus as we can. He is the Word, and the word of the Bible is all about Him. Lord bless you (and yours), as well. What a meeting we will soon have at the Rapture!

I saw someone being interviewed on Fox News that said drones with explosives will be the next type of terror attack, giving guns and vehicles competition. You can get a decent drone that could do this for about $400.

May the Lord continue to enhance her recovery! Amen.

Just sent one up to the Great Physician. Many more to come.

What gets me is when Biden and the Demoncrats condemn MAGA (Make America Great Again) Republicans. What is bad about making America great again? Why is this extreme? What is the alternative....Make America a part of the New World Order? Or, Make America Weak.

We still have number 5.

We can cross number 4 off the list, as the Rapture didn't occur on the Feast of Trumpets this year. That leaves us with number 5 on the list for 2023. Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Well, Tisha B'Av is out for this year. It looks like Trumpets is next on the list, unless option # 5 comes first.

Tisha B'Av, the 9th day of Av 9, comes on 7/26/2023 – 7/27/2023 this year. It just so happens that Strong’s concordance G726 is the Greek word harpazo (for rapture).