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Reconsidering the House of Israel in Ezekiel 4
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nettlesr
Oct 22, 2024
Nice circles.
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Reconsidering the House of Israel in Ezekiel 4
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nettlesr
Oct 19, 2024
Thiele is not saying there were 380 years of iniquity for the house of Israel according to Ezekiel 4:5-6. In his book "The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings," he reckons the lengths of all the kings of Judah and Israel starting with Rehoboam (Judah) and Jeroboam (Israel). For the kings of Judah (from Rehoboam to Zedekiah), he reckons 344 years (from 930-586 BC). If you add 36 years from when Solomon began building the temple (in his fourth year of his 40-year reign), that is 380 years. Ezekiel 4 never says the 390 years of iniquity for the house of Israel began when the construction of the first temple began (in 966 BC). That is simply your interpretation. Just because 390 years is close to 380 years doesn't mean that is the correct interpretation of this scripture. That's like saying 1345 days is close to 1335 days regarding Daniel 12:12, so that must be close enough. Judah had approximately 8 good kings. Why should their reigns be considered iniquitous? All 19 kings of Israel were sinful and worshipped idols or false gods. The 10 tribes of Israel didn't all die out when they were conquered by the Assyrians. They continued their sinful idol-worshipping ways in the lands of Nineveh and Babylon. They eventually morphed into the Samaritans. Why would God have Ezekiel lay on his right side for 40 days (for the last 40 years of Judah's kingdom - in your opinion) after he had laid on this left side for 390 days (for the house of Israel) which you say represents the time from the construction of the first temple to its destruction (390 years). Why wouldn't the 390 days have been sufficient for the 390 years? Instead, God is adding on another 40 days for the last 40 years of the 390 years. That would be 430 total years from the 380/390 years of the construction of the temple to its destruction. The math doesn't add up. Also, if God wasn't differentiating from the two houses (Judah and Israel) why did Ezekiel have to lay on both sides (right and left) instead of just one side... or his back.
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Reconsidering the House of Israel in Ezekiel 4
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nettlesr
Oct 13, 2024
I'm not saying Edwin Thiele is "off" by 10 years. I am saying he is correct (he reckons 1280 years and not 1290 years). You are the one who is saying he is off by 10 years. I believe I will go with Thiele instead of DGB. Why would all 380/390 years from Solomon (36 out of 40 years of reign) to Zedekiah be considered iniquitous? Why not throw in Saul's reign as well? Just like Ezekiel 37:16-19 is referring to both houses of the children of Israel, Judah and Israel, so is Ezekiel 4:5-6. Do you think the survivors of Israel after the Assyrian invasion and displacement quit sinning after 207 years as a kingdom (beginning with Jeroboam)? I would venture to say their iniquity continued, just like the evil kings of Judah (and their subjects) such as Ahaz, Manasseh, Amon, and the descendants of Josiah did. You said, "The phrase 'house of Israel', throughout the book of Ezekiel, refers to the whole house of Israel, all of the tribes. The phrase 'house of Judah' is a more specific reference singling out the tribe of Judah." If that is the case, then Ezekiel 4:3-5 refer to all 12 tribes of Israel and verse 6 reference to the "house of Judah" is more specific and refers to only the tribe of Judah. So, how do you explain that? You said verse 6 was the last 40 years of the kingdom of Judah (from Josiah's 13th year to Zedekiah). Are they not also of the "whole house of Israel"? The last 40 years should have already been covered by the 390 iniquitous years of the whole house of Israel. Ezekiel would only have needed to lay on his left side for 390 years and that would have also covered the iniquity of the last 40 years of Judah's/Israel's iniquity, if what you say is true. Why is Josiah and his descendants considered the only ones of the house of Judah? They are just the last 5 kings of Judah. Also, why is Josiah's reign (and Hezekiah, Jehoshaphat, and other good kings including many years of Solomon) considered iniquitous when he is considered one of the most righteous kings of Judah? On the other hand, every single king of Israel was wicked, and they made their people to sin. Their descendants continued worshipping idols in the land of Nineva and Babylon. They intermarried with the inhabitants of these lands and eventually became the Samarians. So, yes, their iniquity could have covered 390 years. I think the 40 years of iniquity for Judah was during Manasseh's reign. He was one of the worst of all the kings of Judah or Israel. He worshipped Baal (and other gods) as did several kings of Israel did. God especially hated Baal worship. I think the words describing Manasseh in 2 Kings 21:16, “he made Judah to sin,” are the keywords to the prophecy of Ezekiel 4:6 regarding the 40 years of iniquity. The same can be said of Jeroboam and the kings of Israel regarding the 390 years of iniquity of Ezekiel 4:5, “he (they) made Israel to sin.”
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Reconsidering the House of Israel in Ezekiel 4
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nettlesr
Oct 13, 2024
I guess I will just have to stick with the opinion of the nine pastors and commentators who hold to the traditional view. According to the great Bible scholar, Edwin R. Thiele, there were 344 years from the start of Rehoboam's reign to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. Solomon ruled for 40 years, so his fourth year would make 36 more years, which adds up to 380 years, not 390 years. God had warned Judah about the coming judgment long before Josiah's reign. He even warned Josiah's great grandfather, Hezekiah. "Behold, the days come, that all that is in thine house, and that which thy fathers have laid up in store unto this day, shall be carried into Babylon: nothing shall be left, saith the Lord. And of thy sons that shall issue from thee, which thou shalt beget, shall they take away; and they shall be eunuchs in the palace of the king of Babylon." (2 Kings 20:17-18). The "whole house of Israel" (all 12 tribes) didn't begin anew during Josiah's reign but during Hezekiah's reign when he invited the survivors of the northern kingdom of Israel (10 tribes) to come to Jerusalem and attend the Passover Feast in the second month (as there wasn't enough time to celebrate it in the first month). "So they established a decree to make proclamation throughout all Israel, from Beersheba even to Dan, that they should come to keep the passover unto the Lord God of Israel at Jerusalem: for they had not done it of a long time in such sort as it was written. So the posts went with the letters from the king and his princes throughout all Israel and Judah, and according to the commandment of the king, saying, Ye children of Israel, turn again unto the Lord God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, and he will return to the remnant of you, that are escaped out of the hand of the kings of Assyria. For if ye turn again unto the Lord, your brethren and your children shall find compassion before them that lead them captive, so that they shall come again into this land: for the Lord your God is gracious and merciful, and will not turn away his face from you, if ye return unto him. So the posts passed from city to city through the country of Ephraim and Manasseh even unto Zebulun: but they laughed them to scorn, and mocked them. Nevertheless divers of Asher and Manasseh and of Zebulun humbled themselves, and came to Jerusalem." 2 Chronicles 30:5-6,9-11). Yes, God is referring to Judah as the house of Israel in Ezekiel 4:3 as it is all that remains of the two kingdoms, but then He separates the days/years of iniquity between the two kingdoms, Israel and Judah, in verses 5 and 6. The difference in the lengths of iniquity, 390 years compared to 40 years, is evident. Israel's sin was 10 times as great as Judah's was. I have a breakdown of the 390 years for Israel and the 40 years for Judah in my article, The 390 and 40 Years of Ezekiel 4:4-6 – Part II (rev310.net). Likewise, in Ezekiel 37:16-19, God is referring to the two kingdoms, or houses, of Judah (two tribes) and Israel (10 tribes) coming together in the future and becoming one kingdom again as it was in the days of David and Solomon.
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Please Pray For Pete's Daughter, ELLA
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Please Pray For Pete's Daughter, ELLA
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Reconsider Daniel 12:6-7
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nettlesr
Jan 06, 2024
I'm sorry, but I will have to go with the traditional view on this one. Daniel 12 follows chapter 11, which switches from Antiochus IV Epiphanes to the Antichrist in verse 36. Daniel 12 describes the Great Tribulation or Jacob's Trouble which is the last 3.5 years (or time, times, and half a time, or 42 months, or 1260-1290 days) before Jesus returns to the earth. Matthew 24:15-21 also speaks of the Great Tribulation which begins with the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation. There are two other instances of this phrase, "time, times, and half a time (or dividing of time)" being used for 3.5 years. Daniel 7:23-27 also describes this time of Jacob's trouble, "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him." I've already mentioned Revelation 12:14's use of time, times, and half a time for 3.5 years. Do you think Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 12:14 also refer to 3500 years? In my mind, these are the three "witnesses" required for a matter to be settled. The Great Tribulation or Jacob's Trouble will last for 3.5 years (1290 days).
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High Watch Days for 2023
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nettlesr
Oct 11, 2023
We still have number 5.
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7 is divisible into 2023 (?)
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High Watch Days for 2023
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High Watch Days for 2023
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