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Please Pray For Pete's Daughter, ELLA
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Please Pray For Pete's Daughter, ELLA
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Reconsider Daniel 12:6-7
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nettlesr
Jan 06, 2024
I'm sorry, but I will have to go with the traditional view on this one. Daniel 12 follows chapter 11, which switches from Antiochus IV Epiphanes to the Antichrist in verse 36. Daniel 12 describes the Great Tribulation or Jacob's Trouble which is the last 3.5 years (or time, times, and half a time, or 42 months, or 1260-1290 days) before Jesus returns to the earth. Matthew 24:15-21 also speaks of the Great Tribulation which begins with the setting up of the Abomination of Desolation. There are two other instances of this phrase, "time, times, and half a time (or dividing of time)" being used for 3.5 years. Daniel 7:23-27 also describes this time of Jacob's trouble, "Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces. And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings. And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him." I've already mentioned Revelation 12:14's use of time, times, and half a time for 3.5 years. Do you think Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 12:14 also refer to 3500 years? In my mind, these are the three "witnesses" required for a matter to be settled. The Great Tribulation or Jacob's Trouble will last for 3.5 years (1290 days).
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High Watch Days for 2023
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nettlesr
Oct 11, 2023
We still have number 5.
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7 is divisible into 2023 (?)
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High Watch Days for 2023
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High Watch Days for 2023
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In what year was Seth born?
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In what year was Seth born?
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nettlesr
Apr 03, 2023
I agree with that assessment. Regarding biblical chronologies, most chronologists start from creation and work their way forward to the present. For most chronologists, 130 AM is listed for the birth of Seth. The years for the biblical events are AM years (anno mundi - Latin for "year from creation") and BC/AD years. AM years are just numbered years....years from creation. BC years are also just numbered years...years from/before the birth of Jesus. AD years are also just numbered years...years after the birth of Jesus. The BC/AD system of numbering years is different. The only way to have a BC creation date is to find a known date of a historical (and biblical) event and assign it to the AM year for that event and then work your way back to creation. Whatever your number of years is between two events (AM dates), you would add those same number of years from your known BC year to get the BC date for the previous event. For example, most historians say that the destruction of Jerusalem and the first Temple occurred in 586 BC (although some say 587 BC). My chronology reckoning for this biblical/historical event is 3374 AM. Now, working your way backward 11 years to when the last king of Judah, Zedekiah, began his reign (in 3363 AM), you come to the year 597 BC (586 + 11 = 597). Then you just keep working your way back to creation to get the BC year for creation. In this instance (my chronology), the date for creation is 3960 BC (1 AM). Chronology of Mankind: 6,000 Years of History Pt 1 :: By Randy Nettles - Rapture Ready You can double-check all of your numbers. For the above example of 597 BC and its counterpart year of 3363 AM, you can check it two ways (double-check). You can take the creation year of 3960 (BC) and deduct 3363 anno mundi years and you get 597 (BC). You can also take the creation year of 3960 (BC) and deduct 597 years from it and you will come up with the event year of 3363 AM (3363 anno mundi years). Recently I researched Ussher's chronology and compared it with mine. His creation date is 4004 BC, only 4 years off of Newton's and your creation date of 4000 BC. My creation date is 3960 BC, so there is a difference of 44 years. I discovered our event dates were within 1 or 2 years until we get to the death of Solomon and the subsequent kings of Judah's reigns. Ushher, a 17th-century chronologist didn't have the knowledge or the benefit of E.R. Thiel's excellent book, The Mysterious Numbers of the Hebrew Kings, regarding the chronology of the kings of Judah and Israel. It is deemed the definitive work and reckoning of the calendar years on this topic. Ussher reckoned approximately 387 years from the reign of Rehoboam to the destruction of Jerusalem and the first Temple, while Thiel has only 345 years between these events. These 42 extra years are the majority of the difference between our two chronologies. This is why Ussher has 4004 BC for creation while I have 3960 BC.
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7000 Years is Not Enough
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7000 Years is Not Enough
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nettlesr
Mar 31, 2023
You have the same 4000 BC date for creation as Newton. I don't know if that's where you got it or not. If you came up with it on your own, that's great. However, you are both wrong, because the math doesn't work out as I demonstrated. I am not going to argue/debate about a few years, because I was trying to use your years compared to what they should be. However I will argue over 40 years. You said, "BC dates should be subtracted from 4000 to find the AM date. You subtracted the AM date from 4000 and came up with junk." What are you talking about? Didn't the math work out the way I showed you? Of course it did. In my examples, you show me where it doesn't work. Basically, as I showed you above, you deduct the BC year event (if known) from the creation BC year, to get the AM years. Let's take Isaac's birth for example (something we now both agree on since I convinced you that yours was wrong). Isaac's birth was in 1890 BC. You deduct 1890 BC from 4000 BC and you get the AM (anno mundi) date of 2110 AM. This is an AM date you agree on. Now, you can double-check this by subtracting 2110 AM from 4000 BC and you get 1890 BC. Same thing. You can do this on every chronology date and it works, but only if you have the right creation date. It's like saying 7 -3 = 10 and 10-7 = 3. I'm going to try this one more time using my numbers (different from yours by a few years) and your creation date of 4000 BC. If there are 325 years from Isaac's birth to Moses' birth, then 1890 BC - 325 = 1565 BC or 2110 AM + 325 = 2435 AM. So, let's check it with the creation date and see if they are correct. 4000 BC - 1565 BC = 2435 AM ....and 4000 BC - 2435 AM = 1565 BC. Now, tell me how this math doesn't work! However, 1565 BC isn't the correct date for this event, because you have the wrong creation date. It should be 1525 BC. Just as I said before, if you keep going you will have a date of 625 BC (instead of 585/586 BC) for the destruction of the Temple and a date for the crucifixion of Jesus of72 AD (instead of 32/33 AD). These are recorded historical events that we can be sure of, other than a few years (not 40). Just as you did before, with the wrong dates for Abraham's birth and elsewhere, you have added too many years between biblical events and it's throwing your chronology off. I understand you are doing this to fit it into your narrative of 1007 and 7049 years, but your chronology has to be correct. Your BC years have to correspond with your AM years and your BC years have to match with known historical records for those events. It appears you are attempting to confuse the average reader by saying the math doesn't work and the continuing changing of your chronology. My chronology, Chronology of Mankind: 6,000 Years of History Pt 1 :: By Randy Nettles - Rapture Ready hasn't changed and the links I listed in the other posts match mine (by 9 years). I can't wait to see your revised product.
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7000 Years is Not Enough
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nettlesr
Mar 31, 2023
You can't have it both ways. Once you change your AM dates, you have to change your BC/AD dates. I see now why you were so reluctant to use BC/AD dates. Let's go over some basics. Your BC date for creation is 4000 BC, which was Newton's theory. To determine a BC date for an event, you must subtract that BC event date from 4000 BC to get the AM date. This is the law of chronology and mathematics. Let's do a few examples: When you change the date for the birth of Isaac to 2110 AM, you get 1890 BC for the date. You can check these two ways. 1) Subtract 2110 AM from 4000 BC = 1890 BC. 2) Subtract 1890 BC from 4000 BC = 2110 AM. Now, let's do Moses' chronology. We know Moses was born 325 years after Isaac was born. You say he was born in 2435 AM (no change). 1) 4000 BC - 2435 AM = 1565 BC. 2) 4000 BC - 1565 BC = 2435 AM. Your timeline chronology for the birth of Moses is now 1565 BC and not 1525 BC, which is what it should be by historical accounts. This isn't real clear until we get to some verifiable historical records, such as the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem in 586 BC. Your chronology: Moses was 80 when the Exodus occurred. 1) 4000 BC - 2514 AM = 1486 BC. 2) 4000 BC - 1486 = 2514 AM. By all historical records the date was 1446 BC. 480 years later the construction on the temple began (4th year of Solomon). 1) 4000 BC - 2994 AM = 1006 BC. 4000 BC - 1006 BC = 2994 AM. The historical date was actually 966 BC (still 40 years off). 36 years later Solomon died (40 years as king). There were 345 years from the death of Solomon to the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple. That's 381 years total from the Temple's construction to its destruction. So, your chronology would have this event at 3376 AM or 625 BC. 1) 4000 BC - 3375 AM = 625 BC. 2) 4000 BC - 625 BC = 3375 AM. As all historians known the destruction of the 1st Temple occurred in 586/585 BC. You are still off by 40 years, and this will continue with the following biblical events including the crucifixion of Jesus and into modern times. You can't rewrite history or the true chronology of mankind. The problem with your chronology (not your 7049 theory) is you have the wrong creation date. It should be 3960 - 3968 BC (or you can have Jesus' crucifixion at 70 AD). This will solve all of your mathematical and chronological problems.
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